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Foie Gras – Delicacy or Disgrace?

Foie gras is one controversial cuisine that will always cause a stir. We pitted former London-eating.co.uk editor, Foodepedia founder and foie gras enthusiast Nick Harman against our very own founder, social entrepreneur and ethical eater Diana Verde Nieto to watch the feathers fly.

The For, Nick Harman – There are people who think foie gras should be banned, well my response appropriately enough is ‘get stuffed’. Why should a small but vocal group stop me eating what I like just because they don’t approve of the way it’s made? As it happens I don’t approve of the way cheap chickens are produced, but you won’t find me telling the nation’s underpaid they should stop eating affordable supermarket chicken and instead just stare hungrily at the unaffordable free range instead.  

Battery farming of chickens is a well-known horror story but it’s one that’s only a relatively recent phenomenon and could be stopped tomorrow. The obstacle is simply that the government is scared of the big supermarkets and the possible negative reaction of voters when denied their cheap meat. Foie gras on the other hand has been created, most notably in Gascony, since time immemorial. Small, skilled, artisan producers rely on it for their income just as their parents, grandparents and great grandparents did. What are they supposed to do if foie gras is banned? Retrain as chicken abusers instead? 

If foie gras was as affordable as factory-farmed chicken it would be in all our sandwiches every day and we would smack our lips, cry for more and damn the ducks. But as it’s expensive - foie gras is harder to produce than by simply herding a thousand chickens into a small space and waiting until their legs fall off – it’s seen as ‘posh people’s food’ and so valid for attack.

I spent last week eating almost nothing but duck products – duck breasts, duck legs, gizzards and foie gras – on a trip to the Gers in France. Every meal was delicious, every duck died for a good reason. The producers I met keep their birds in large grassy fields and, as far as one can ever tell from looking a duck in the eye, the birds seemed to have no complaints and waddled happily about, thoroughly enjoying their view of the Pyrenees and having interesting conversations with each other.

As for the force feeding, one has to have actually seen it in person to have an opinion and I am not sure all that many protesters have done so. Instead they rely on YouTube videos taken at duck farms that are totally atypical in my experience, and possibly not even in France but in Eastern Europe where different humanitarian standards have always applied, mostly to humans. 

In the sunny farms of the Gers the birds almost queue up for their turn at the corn pipe, and while it’s obviously a form of addiction, they seem as cheerful as any addict is when getting a large and regular fix of what it craves. What I crave is foie gras and if anyone gets between me and my dealer there will be trouble.

The Against, Diana Verde Nieto – There are people who think foie gras should be allowed, well my response appropriately enough is ‘get plucked’. As someone in favour of all things British, I propose we refer to foie gras in translation – since it would take a pretty spectacular restaurant to make an order of ‘Fat Liver’ sound quite so appealing.

Foie gras is made from the liver of a duck or goose that has been specially fattened; typically through ‘gavage’ (force-feeding) corn. Served as mousse, parfait or pâté this French delicacy is a popular yet controversial dish on account of its ‘méthode de production’. In most cases pipes are rammed down the throat of a duck or goose two or three times daily, pumping as much as 4 pounds of grain and fat into the animal’s stomachs and causing their livers to bloat to up to 10 times their normal size. The insertion of the pipe will often scratch the oesophagus, leaving it painful and prone to infection, and broken bills, spleen damage and organ ruptures are commonplace. To top it off the birds are often kept in cramped, unhygienic conditions which leave them vulnerable to disease- sound familiar? Looks like ‘posh people’s’ food is not a million miles away from the battery farmed chicken of the masses.

‘Atypical’ YouTube videos aside, force-feeding is the grim reality behind foie gras- and not just in Eastern Europe. I don’t use the ‘PETA’ word lightly, but their findings after an investigation into Hudson Valley foie gras in New York would make anyone feel queasy. So many ducks died when their organs ruptured from overfeeding that workers who killed fewer than 50 birds per month were given a bonus. Mmm, tasty. I believe ultimately people should make their own choices, and do and eat what they want, but I believe in this instance we abolish the euphemistic ‘Foie Gras’ in place of the realistic ‘Fat Liver’- a name I think we can all agree is much harder to swallow.

  • R. Brooker

    The idea that Foie Gras can be justified because some chickens are also kept in very poor conditions is nonsensical. Two wrongs do not make a right.

    • Duke Rogers

      Two wrong might not make a right, but is it not condescending to expect a different degree of “responsibility” from those that choose to eat foie gras compared to those who choose to eat battery chicken?

      • R. Brooker

        Contrary to what Nick Harman suggests, I think it must, in fact, be extremely rare to believe that Foie Gras is unacceptable while battery chickens are acceptable. Clearly most people who object to the eating of Foie Gras also object to battery chickens and vice versa. Plenty of people, over the years, have pointed out the cruelty involved in farming chickens, and plenty of people, over the years, have pointed out the cruelty involved in the production of Foie Gras… and I think that is as it should be.

        I cannot see why pointing out animal cruelty would ever be condescending, and I still think that the argument that one evil is lessened by the existence of another evil is a classic example of false logic.

    • Sophie Lauren

      Be interested to know how you have actually done your research ? whether you have just sat back behind a computer and written a debate without having visited these typical french farms ? anyone can subject a good argument, few can actually boast factual information from first hand experience.

      • R. Brooker

        Dear Sophie Lauren,

        You are quite right I am currently behind a computer… and not situated anywhere near a duck farm… however I do not think direct experience is always required to form a relevant opinion on something… there are a number of things that I feel quite strongly about that I have never actually seen first hand… dog fighting, for example, is not something I have ever witnessed, but it is not something I find acceptable.

        While I am fairly happy for people to buy foie gras from farms where the ducks are reared with respect, if such a thing is really possible, clearly several farms have been identified around the world where ducks are reared in very poor battery-like conditions and also force fed, which seems to further increase their suffering. I do not think that human beings can really expect animals to suffer horrendously for a few delicious mouthfuls of liver, and doubt that walking around a particularly nice duck farm in a pair of wellies would do very much to change this view… although I shall consider it if the opportunity ever presents itself.

  • Charles

    I was once at a restaurant where the two girls sat at the table behind us asked the waiter if foie gras was a type of vegetable and he had to try to explain what it was to them, rather amusing I felt.

    I am firmly in the camp of pro with this argument, I don’t see how people can argue about foie gras without knowing the way the ducks are treated, and as Harman says a properly raised foie duck is a hell of a lot better treated than a lot of livestock in this day and age, especially compared to the £3.99 chickens from the local supermarket. However, like Harman I am not going to sit here and say a family can’t enjoy a Sunday roast because they can’t afford a Label Anglais chicken, so why do people say I can’t enjoy a pan fried peice of Foie?

    Diana Verde Nieto seems to have done what many others have and based her experience around some YouTube videos, I would like to ask if she has actually seen this first-hand. People like PETA are experts at pushing their agenda and will show the worst of the worst to get their point across. There was a interesting article about the Hudson Valley example in the Village Voice back in 09 countering a lot of the false information given at that time http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-02-18/news/is-foie-gras-torture/

    • R. Brooker

      I have read this article which was interesting, however, it sounds to me like the farm described may be just as atypical (if not more so) than the youtube videos that are available. It is clear that the farm in question is under a great deal of scruitiny and is threatened by law suits, so I think to suggest that all foie gras farms are as pleasant as this one is probably very inaccurate. While the author is reasonably impressed by this particular farm they point out that they would probably still not buy Fois Gras from France or Canada where ducks are more frequently kept in battery-like conditions (however, of course, foie gras ducks also have the added indignity of being force fed).

  • Anonymous

    Whilst I’m not justifying foie gras I do feel that it exposes a kind of hypocrisy in our views on the food industry. Two wrongs indeed do not make a right but there are inherently cruel practices in many of the processes we take for granted, dairy farming being a perfect example. Foie gras is cruel, there is simply no denying it, but as long as people are happy to criticise foie gras on the basis it is a ‘luxury’, whilst sipping on a glass of milk or tucking into a chicken breast then it remains merely a celebrity supported bandwagon.

  • William Watt

    Whilst I’m not justifying foie gras I do feel that it exposes a kind of hypocrisy in our views on the food industry. Two wrongs indeed do not make a right but there are inherently cruel practices in many of the processes we take for granted, dairy farming being a perfect example. Foie gras is cruel, there is simply no denying it, but as long as people are happy to criticise foie gras on the basis it is a ‘luxury’, whilst sipping on a glass of milk or tucking into a chicken breast then it remains merely a celebrity supported bandwagon.

  • Laddicott

    Nick Harman you’re an inhuman idiot.

  • Sophie Lauren

    Completely agree with Nick Harman ! I live in Auch a small city in Les Gers region and regularly indulge in Fois Gras, it is a regional produce and has been for generations and generations. As stated the geese are not battery farmed they are happy and roaming the fields freely the only cruelty if you can even use that word is that they are allowed to over indulge, we as a nation could be accused of the same crime ! I think we should look a little closer at other issues i.e veal which is reared in complete darkness for 6 months then slaughtered
    before its even weaned of its mothers milk and packed off to the supermarket. Id advise anyone to actually do their research before voicing such strong opinions on topics they have no clue about…visit these places, experience the cultures, get accurate information. you might be surprised that infact you’ve got your feathers ruffled over nothing !

  • Maxparis

    The fact that Diana begins her article copying the patern of the first sentence of Nick’s talk, just shows how unfair this article is. Easy to come afterwards and make an answer to someone who won’t answer… and try to make fun of him . This truely is unfair. You just manipulate things and thoughts.
    I don not agree with the parallel made about chicken, but I must admit I just LOVE foie gras. Be fair, do you only eat food that has been “humanely” raised or killed? I very much doubt it!
    Your talk is just easy writing to touch the sensitive people, but the very easy way people nowadays talk about things: with a short sighted vew, only to please your own readers.
    Some ducks and geese are raised and killed properly. Especially in France, where rules do exist!!!
    In some countries copying this french delicacy, some people produce a pale copy of the real foie gras (eastern Europe or China for example). And more often than not, in very poor conditions, be it for the animals or the employees, generally.
    You obviouly lack some culture in the matter, and that’s a pity, common talk doesn’t do you a favour…

    • R Brooker

      Dear Maxparis,

      People who disagree with foie gras do not “lack some culture”, they simply lack the desire to knowingly eat animals that have been force fed… Let’s be real… if ducks were really willing to eat that much… there would be no forcing required…

      I like Moliere, I like Helena Cixous, I like Amelie(!), but then again I also like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYGQ7ICKg8. And if that lovely man and I are, in your eyes lacking culture, well all I have to say is… “bof”!

      Adieu.